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What product, service, or something of that nature was common to use as a kid, but is now rare or obsolete? Why did you use it and did something else replace it?

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Oh, oof. Common to use as a kid.

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And now is rare. We need to pause a minute here. We've been interrupted by the black beast from the east.

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My buddy. Can you think of this question?

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Yeah, I don't know. Common to use as a kid.

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And now is rare. Metal swing sets.

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Well, yeah, backyard metal swing sets. Sandboxes with iron filings in them.

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We have one of those. No, we don't have iron filings in it.

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You want a bet? Yeah, I've drugged a magnet through it.

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Really? Yes.

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I'm trying to think what was common. And see, I feel like life is additive.

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Sometimes you don't take things away per se. I mean, there's new.

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Pressure cookers. No, those are still very common.

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I never know. No, they're not.

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Oh, yeah, they're called. What are those cookpots called?

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Those are pressure cookers. Yeah, but they're not the standard.

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No, but my mom, I didn't grow up with a pressure cooker. So we never use that.

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Yeah, we didn't use that. That's still funny.

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That's a good one. What was common?

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I'm trying to think what would have been common for us as little kids? Yeah, services and stuff.

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I don't think there's... Did you say services?

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Product services. Product services.

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Well, here's something. Yeah, we pumped our own...

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Or no, we had self-service gas stations. You'd pull into the gas station?

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No, they served you. Yes, it was full service gas station.

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I meant to say it. Sorry, thank you.

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Full service gas station, you'd pull in and attendant would come out. In fact, my brother Brad was an attendant at the Conoco gas station on Happy Canyon and Hampton.

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And you'd come out and they'd start the pump. And the pumps didn't have any kind of pain mechanism on them.

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And then they'd check your tire, they'd check your oil, and they'd wash your windshield. And they could replace your wipers, all of that.

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They didn't charge anything extra. It was just for the price of gas.

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And I remember in the 70s when it started being pump your own. And I remember my mom, who was...

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She did it a little bit, but she was going blind then more so it was harder. But that was a big change, was going away from full service.

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If you drive down university at exposition in Denver, I think that gas station on the corner is a full service gas station still. And we found one in Las Vegas, Mexico.

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Oh yeah, we did. Yes, a little family.

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A little tiny family owned one on the main track. Full service.

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The father owns it, the two sons kind of run it. And they had another one.

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Dad was running one and the kids boys were running the other one. But we pulled in there and get out to do the stuff.

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One guy comes out and says, "No, no, it's full service. Do you want premium or do you want regular?" I'm going to reverse this a minute about an invention that didn't exist.

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It was the ATM machine. Everybody had to go to the bank.

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There weren't drive up windows. So this is going to...

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Oh yeah, about drive up windows. You went into the bank.

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That's how you got your money. You had a deposit book.

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And you were always in the bank. There were no drive up windows at all.

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There were an ATM. Credit cards were credit card specific to a store.

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So we had the Denver Drive. You had a Fonches.

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You had a... Still have some of them.

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Newsteaders. You had those individual credit cards.

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But there was not a universal credit card. There were no MasterCard Discovery Express.

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Not till we went to college sort of. Kind of then.

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Yeah, because I had a MasterCard as a freshman in college. But I thought my dad got the bill.

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Well, he... He did indirectly.

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Phone. Long distance phone calls. I remember thinking...

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Listening to some of my friends who had older children. And how much their long distance phone bill was.

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And thinking, "Oh my gosh. And we're going to have three in college.

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What that's going to be like." Well then...

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A cell phone. And so that was a huge...

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We should have said that before. Huge invention.

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Huge invention. That then...

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That eliminated to a certain extent that long distance. Our first one was literally the brick.

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Yeah, on the watch to talk. And we got it for free.

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We... Jeff and I would go downtown.

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Cellular one or something. Denver.

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Over my birthday. Yeah.

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We'd get in December. Go shopping in Larimer Square.

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And if you spent so much money, you know, first level, you might get a carriage ride. Second level was a cell phone.

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What did we... Third level was...

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Oh, sheepskin. A bunch of stores.

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We bought Christmas presents down there. Oh yeah.

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Overland sheepskin. And we stayed at what hotel?

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It was a good hotel. It was a good hotel.

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Oh. Because we saw Robert Kraft, the guy that owns the Patriots.

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Oh, it was... It's where all the football players, football teams stayed.

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So, you know, the cell phone was a huge change in life. But banking is very different today than it was...

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Oh yeah. And credit cards.

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Credit cards. Because like I never use mine.

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Did I tell the story of Kelly's first two-piece swimsuit? I got to add this in here because this is...

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This is funny. This is kind of...

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A lot of fun. We should tell a couple of funny stories.

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This is kind of a change of how things were and weren't. Kelly, for her Christmas, wanted a two-piece swimsuit.

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She didn't call it a bikini. She wanted a two-piece swimsuit.

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And it's December. So, where are you going to get a two-piece swimsuit?

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And by this time, was she swimming at Racquet Club or Village 7? No, I don't think she was on the swim team yet.

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And so, I thought, where would they have a swimsuit? Oh, Glenwood Springs has the hot tub.

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Hot cool. Hot springs.

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I bet they have swimsuits. They have a swim shop and it's opening year round.

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That was part of it. So, I called them.

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It was opening year round. And I said, you know, I think she's a size 8, maybe a 10.

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The lady sends me two. No credit cards because we didn't have credit cards then.

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Yeah, we did. We didn't...

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We did not charge a credit card, Jeff. We had nothing like that.

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She sends them out to us. We got to pick which one and then sent the other one back and sent the check in the mail.

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Really? And that's how we got her first pink two-piece swimsuit.

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It was kind of connected on the side. So, it wasn't a full two-piece swimsuit.

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But, you know, there was just this trusting environment of, sure, you want that. I know you're going to send me the money.

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No big deal. You're going to send me that.

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So, I guess that's a service that you just don't find. That just doesn't happen.

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Well, Chex, we're getting more clients paying with Chex because like a lot of places now, the card fees are so high for the businesses.

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We're charging, I don't know how many percent, but it's pretty common. Yeah.

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Because you're losing a lot of money. Yeah.

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So, banking has really changed. But, yeah, you're right about the bank.

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I'm trying to think of what else does... Funny, I got to tell this because when I went to see you, one of my dads, somebody we knew, I think it was Bobby Perry's dad, now he's a banker.

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He was a lumberyard guy, now he's a banker. So, we go down to First National or somebody and he sets me up with a checking account.

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Oh, yeah. And my dad gets me a credit card.

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You know, use your credit card, blah, blah, blah. So, I'm working at the food service.

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I just keep putting my money in the bank. I had to put it, take it down there or mail it, mail a check and I'd write Chex and put money in.

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I didn't know about balancing it. They didn't teach him that.

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What are you going to do, man? I don't know.

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So, I meet this girl and I don't know how I came up but you're like, "Don't you balance your checkbook?" I said, "What do you mean balance my checkbook?" So, when we got married, I took his checkbook and I looked at this and I went, "OMG." And I went to the bank and we sorted it all out and he's never touched a checkbook since.

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Hardly, man. Hardly.

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Hardly touched a checkbook since. You had no clue what was going on and how to do it.

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And I was religious about balancing to the penny. Yeah.

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Yeah. And you know, I think too, electronic fund transfers and all of the online bill pane, that's changed.

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I don't do my check register anymore because it's just too much to write every one of those monthly withdrawals in there.

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So, you do it all online? I do it all on my head and then look online.

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That's, I mean, how the financial world, how we do that is changed dramatically, I think. That has impacted our whole part of our life.

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He likes you, Paul. Did you see that?

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He looks at you in the legs as tail. That's as I love you.

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So, do we have anything more for this one? No.

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I think that's, banking is true. Card's for sure.

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Gasoline pumping. Gas.

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Yeah, but remember gas pumps? I remember as a little kid in Boulder, one of my dad's high school friends had a gas station down on Pearl Street and it was the kind of pumps that you, the guy used to handle.

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Yeah. To pump it up into this glass thing and then that's kind of how they measured it.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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That was weird. So, I just did.

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I think he's going to want to go out again last call about 8.30. Why don't you go see about putting him in his room?

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Okay? In the bedroom?

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Okay. Because he's just going to be a disruption.

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He says, "I see my friend Paul." And I don't want him knocking over any of this stuff, Jeff.

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No, I don't think he's pretty gentle, Debbie. But he's got to get out of this situation that he's in right now.

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Come on, Abe. Let's get on your bed, buddy.

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He could squeeze right through there, could you believe it? Okay, let's go.

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That's too bad. Okay, go on, buddy.

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All right. Well, let's go.

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You said, "I hear all this talking but you're not into me." Okay.

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Come on. Let's go put you on your bed.

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Go get on your bed. I'm trying to think.

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What else? Product or service?

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What is he going to? I don't know.

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He has so many. He does have a few.

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Well, I moved the one out a bit. I don't know.

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He has so many. He does have a few.

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Well, I moved the one out of the bedroom. He has three beds now in our house.

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See? Everything exploded.

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You want to go to this bed? Or that one?

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You want to go in there? Okay.

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Moving that way. Come on.

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The next one is happy place. The one that we didn't do?

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No, the next one is happy place. Here's our happy place.

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Okay. Got it.

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We got to forget what that orange region here is. I don't remember the orange at all.

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It's like a hotshot or something. Oh, yeah.

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That could have been a hotshot. That was a name.

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Last question. Oh, history.

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Oh, history. Paul hasn't fallen asleep yet.

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Oops. History according to Jeff and Debbie.

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I do hope the girls read some of those books. They will.

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The War for the Grand Powers. Because once I read that, the Citizen Soldier in D-Day, he had told us a bunch about, he went in supposedly on the second day and it was pretty interesting.

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All the training in England and stuff. Okay.

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Next question. My last few questions.

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Where is your happy place? I'm going to say it's two parts.

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First with family, with all of you. That's just always a happy place.

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Just surrounded by you, looking at you grow, evolve, looking at your kids, your pets. Just that's definitely a happy place.

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But outside of family, my happy place is on the road traveling, getting out, seeing things. I just love taking road trips.

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Everybody wants to go, I want to go. Just seeing life, seeing how other people live, seeing nature.

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That's really my happy place. Road trips are my happy place.

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Especially going to different places. Yeah, unique places.

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How about you? Well, I agree that I love having the family stuff.

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I think for you, one of your biggest happy places is Grandkids. I love the Grandkids too and they're a lot of fun.

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They kind of get on my bad side, but they're just a little frenetic. My other happy place, I like to go on trips and stuff too.

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I'm a little different because I kind of like to go to the same place multiple times. I think Waikaloa, Hawaii is one of my happiest places.

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We went there with your folks and you and I have been what, four times. I just really can relax there and I like to snorkel.

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So that's a lot of fun. My other happy place is the cabin that my folks bought.

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It's not really a cabin, it's a little two bedroom house, no heat. Wood stove, mostly a summer place in an HOA with two miles of private river that we stock.

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So fly fishing is one of my happy things to do. Chain sawing, fire mitigation, I love chainsaws.

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That's one of my happy places. It's the chainsaw, I gotta say.

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Yep, okay. [ Silence ]